The Unusual Two No Trump

 RH opposition opens 1S, I bid 2NT. The unusual No Trump meaning Iam holding the minors, clubs and diamonds. My partner responds 3D, opposition bid 3S, I bid 4D, everyone then passes. Contract played in 4D going one light.

1/  Does the Unusual No Trump  bid need to be alerted by my partner. 

2/ It was not alerted and the opposition didn't ask the meaning of the bid until after the contract had been played. 

3/ The opposition call the Director and complain they were disadvantaged as they thought the 2NT bid was showing 20+ points with a stop in spades and would have bid 4S if they knew it was not.

4/ The director made an adjusted 40/60 score against us, ruling 2NT bid was not alerted. (Incidently 4S went light at every table that bid it, and was not makeable).

5/ Is this a fair decision?

 

Started by Ken Wood on 03 Feb 2017 at 09:05PM

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  1. STANLEY ABRAHAMS04 Feb 2017 at 08:55AM

    I am not qualified to comment on the directors ruling, but your question raises an interesting point.

    I assume that you thought that everyone played that convention, and it was "just bridge", and didn't need an alert. However if the opponents had opened 1 Diamond and you had bid 2NT, what would that have meant?

     Many players have different meanings for that bid, and some players don't use that bid at all. So, "would you have alerted that bid? ". 

    If you gave the details of the hand, with the vulnerability, you may get more comments. For example when you competed to 4D, did it occur to you that partner may just have given preference with 2 Diamonds and only 1 Club ? and you were taking a big risk.

     

     

  2. PETER BROCKWAY04 Feb 2017 at 09:28PM

    The unusual 2NT is alertable I think.  Manual D30.2.1 "All opening bids and overcalls that show two or more suits, even if one of the suits is specified, are by definition conventional." And it's not considered prealerted like a cuebid which must (D30.2.3) be "a bid of any denomination bid by the opponent or of a suit shown by the opponent’s bid."

    The ABF regulations are very similar to ours as regards alerting, but they add some useful examples of things that must be alerted, including "Unusual NT bids that show 2-suited hands" (Alert Regulations 5.3.1(b))

    Other places follow other regulations.  The ACBL Alert Chart, for instance, says "no alert".  I mention this because I wonder how your opponents came to the opinion that your 2NT showed 20+ and a stop.  I'm assuming they didn't read it in your convention card, nor did they ask you (an action that would certainly have afforded them some protection if they were unsure.)

    However there was no alert, and that means misinformation and that means Law 21B3. "When it is too late to change a call and the Director judges that the offending side gained an advantage from the irregularity he awards an ajusted score."  As you describe it, you went light instead of them going light.  So what's the advantage you gained from the irregularity?  Maybe there is some other law involved.  I would have asked the Director what law was being applied and, if it was Law21B3, what advantage was being corrected.

  3. GILES HANCOCK05 Feb 2017 at 09:04PM

     

    Yes it's definitely alertable.

    Cue bids are self-alerting; a pre-alert is for extra special system stuff.

    Experienced opposition players will protect themselves here by asking about the unalerted 2NT bid.   If they let it go and then cry foul they are gaming the system, having "two bites at the cherry".

    60/40 is not correct.   The director should determine the likely result with proper information.   Your opps probably got a good table result.

     

    regards

     

     

     

     

  4. PETER BROCKWAY06 Feb 2017 at 09:48AM

    Yes, Giles is right.  I should have said cue bids are "self alerted".

  5. Ken Wood07 Feb 2017 at 11:27PM

    Thanks guys for your responses. Yes Stanley my partner and I did assume the unusual no trump was "just bridge" similar manner to 2 clubs "stamen", so we have learnt from that experience. We play 1D overcall 2NT being both majors so till now would not have alerted it. Me bidding to 4D probably was the key to the directors decision, would not have been able to bid that without the unalerted 2Nt bid. Other tables were making 2S and some 3S. I found the opponent's comments frustrating, to say he thought I had 20+ points and that stopped him from bidding 4S. If he thought I had 20+ points would he have even bid 3S, particularly with no response from his partner!  

  6. NICK WHITTEN02 Mar 2017 at 07:41AM

    I don't think players should EVER be asking about unalerted bids

    That would nearly always give the opponents and/or partner  information they aren't entitled to

    Except general questions such as "what is the point range" and the like

    Or, of course, if the bid is self-alerting

    And I believe the same applies for a bid which should be announced but isn't

    cheers
    Nick

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